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Post  sspclud777 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:41 am

Hello OmniPeople: They call me Roberto and I'm new to this forum. I have been
watching and waiting to go ahead with Omnisphere, actually because of this
"lack of funds economy"and now getting back on my feet. Probably better that
I had to wait anyway. So I have just finished some conversation with Les Correa
from the Spectrasonics website and I wanted to run by you guys some technical
specs and really see if I can use my beast of a computer and be good with the
program. I realize that by now everybody has been thru all the newbee questions
and surely my questions should be easy to answer. I ask permission from everyone
to bear with me until I can get up to speed with my setup, etc.
May I proceed ?

sincerely.....Roberto

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Post  Hans Scheffler on Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:36 pm

Hi Roberto,
welcome to the Omnitalk community. Its good to have you.
Please feel free to ask any questions. By now most people here should have some basic knowledge to share with you

study

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The Beginnings.

Post  sspclud777 on Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:43 pm

Thank You Mr. Hans S. for replying. I'll try to be brief after I give at least some
background.

I have loved synthesizers (hard and soft) since the early '80s, my Juno-6 and Casio
101 days. Have played in numerous local bands, bass being primary and synths being
secondary. Posted alot of tunes on Mp3.com when they were around. I do some
soundtrack work for my buddies video business.

Here's the setup. (old school equipment)

Dell 4700 single core Pentium 4 running at 3.00 GHz...XP Home...Serv. Pack 3.
4 Gb ram total with 2 Gb virtual memory.
150 Gb main drive (w/ 90 Gb available) and a 500 Gb backup drive
Echo Layla 3G soundcard with the rackmount breakout box.

Software: Sonar 7.02, Atmosphere, Stulus RMX (w/all the libraries), Arturia Minimoog,
NI Absynth 3 & 4, Live 7 LE just for the sound effect processing, and an
assortment of smaller synth plug-ins just for fun.
Controller: M-Audio Axiom 61

I can run 3 - 4 plug-ins within Sonar, before CPU usage starts to peak or dropout.
I've tested and tried to deliberatley stress out my system to see what it can handle.

Now my recording/composing style is to lay down one or two plug-in tracks at a time
and render to audio before I begin the next ones. So I'm not playing 4 synths at
once. That was just testing I did to see if it can handle a big Omnisphere.

Now the question: From the above description can anyone tell me if I should be
able to handle and run Omnisphere with this setup and capacity ??
Am I too old school or does Omnisphere run easy on older equipment ??

If I can get enough wisdom from the elders on this forum then I can proceed with
the next step.......which would be to buy Omnisphere and install or go for broke
with an entirely new dedicated system....tower and soundcard, etc......
O K...I'm all yours people and thanks for listening
sincerely...Roberto

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Post  Hans Scheffler on Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:58 pm

Sorry i am not a PC user myself so i cannot help you with your question. But maybe others can chime in? We do have a couple of PC users here like Yairhol and Mulperi.

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Post  sspclud777 on Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:33 pm

Hello Hans:
How can I get a hold of Yairhol and Mulperi.....so I can see if they
can read my previous post and get their feedback ?

Thanks

Roberto

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Post  HenriKK on Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:32 am

Hi Roberto,

For starters I should point out that I'm a complete amateur when it comes to technical aspects of synths/computers/music hardware in general, but I found some tidbits that hopefully may help you.

sspclud777 wrote:
Dell 4700 single core Pentium 4 running at 3.00 GHz...XP Home...Serv. Pack 3.
4 Gb ram total with 2 Gb virtual memory.
150 Gb main drive (w/ 90 Gb available) and a 500 Gb backup drive
Echo Layla 3G soundcard with the rackmount breakout box.

I checked the official system requirements from http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/omnisphere-sysreqs.php which list the following:

• 2GB or more of RAM
• Dual Layer compatible DVD-ROM drive
• 50GB of free hard drive space

So in terms of memory and HD space you've got things well covered. However, you should also note the official recommendation for Windows users:

• Pentium 3.0 GHz or higher (Intel Core2Duo recommended)
• VST 2.4 or RTAS capable host software
• Microsoft XP SP2 or later
• Microsoft Vista compatible

It would seem that a dual core CPU is recommended and at minimum a 3.0 GHz CPU. If I'm not completely mistaken there's a risk that your CPU could cause you problems, at least if you want an optimally smooth experience.

Sadly, I couldn't find a product review by a notable website/magazine that would have addressed the system requirements in necessary depth (most just list the manufacturer's specs or discuss performance on a Mac). I did find the following quotes though, which could be interesting to you:

Quoting from http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63089:
"My system: Dell XPS P4, 3.2 GHz, 4GB RAM (3.25 recognized). For the most part, Omnisphere runs quite well on this archaic system if I ignore the long load times."

Quoting from http://taxi.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nick&action=print&thread=9946:
"I've got a P4 3.60 w/ 2GB RAM. XP3, Sonar 7.
All the factory presets run fine. Start adding to the stack though and my system chokes."

Quoting from http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/spectrasonics-omnisphere-soft/dec-08/90817:
"Spectrasonics says you’ll need 2GB of RAM. Since not everyone has the latest, greatest computer, I tried Omnisphere on a four-year-old Pentium 4 PC with only 1GB, and it ran fine as long as I stayed away from the really big multisamples. Yes, this ignores Spectrasonics’ requirements, but it’s nice to know Omnisphere is usable on older machines. I also tested Omnisphere on my newer MusicXPC laptop (2GHz CoreDuo processor, 2GB RAM) and it worked as expected."

Anyways, I'll let you know if I find anything else that could be helpful to you. Hopefully someone with a PC with similar specs can post a comment. Good luck!

Regards,
HenriKK

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Post  sspclud777 on Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:13 pm

Extremely well laid out response and very very helpful to me. Thanks you alot.
As I ponder more on the situation I believe I will go with this scenerio. I will
get the software and install it on my system for the time being. And as always
I tend to try to get as much out of software as I can which means that I'll
probably try to do more things on the system than it can handle. And by that
time I'll be convinced that I better buy an entirely new computer system and
dedicate it to Omnisphere.
That's the way it has usually gone for me in the past. But if this works on what
I have now then great. But once again thanks HenriKK for your help.
sincerely Roberto

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Post  HenriKK on Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:39 am

Roberto,

Don't mention it Smile When you get your hands on Omnisphere let us know how it's working for you. I believe there are a number of handy tips and tricks to increase performance, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it!

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Post  Hans Scheffler on Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:54 pm

sspclud777 wrote:Hello Hans:
How can I get a hold of Yairhol and Mulperi.....so I can see if they
can read my previous post and get their feedback ?

Thanks

Roberto

Try to send them a PM thru the board

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Post  sspclud777 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:37 pm

Hello my fellow Omnispherians:
Ok I just received the Omnisphere package. I installed the whole package.
Took 8 hours to complete. I use Sonar 7 PE as my host.
Sad Omnisphere will not open at all in my host. i can't even open it to start
the authorization process.
All the .dll are in the correct folders.

Do I need to re-install Disc #1......just the program part of it ??

I have this question out to spectrasonics support but who knows how
long they will be in answering.

Has anybody had this problem where it does not even show up in your host ?

Roberto

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Post  Hans Scheffler on Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:02 am

have you tried to open it in a simple free host to see if the install went correctly?
8 hours seems to be awfully long. It took like 2 or so on my system.
cant remember if the installer has an option to just install the plug but if so then you could try that.
i wouldnt expect an answer from Spectrasonics before monday-afaik the hotline doesnt work on weekends.

good luck!

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Post  sspclud777 on Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:07 pm

Hello Hans:
All is well. Now it works. What i did was copy the .dll driver to some different
folders and Sonar saw one of them and took it. Yeeaaaahhhhhh.

Now it is authorized and working.

OK here is the next situation. This Omni-beast is a hog. It is CPU hungry.

Some of the big sounds start to peak the CPU but they still play. This tells me that
when I download the updates that I better be careful and watchful.

SO I will spend some time with it as it is and give you a report later. But now if
any PC newbees need some info on using Omnisphere with an old PC, I have it.
Thank so much..................Roberto

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